SKS kicks the AK's arse
 

All milled parts, no stamped sheet metal crap.

More accurate.

Just as reliable.

Easier to shoot in the prone position.

Same cheap ammo.

Stripper clips are abundant and replace many expensive box mags.

Can be converted to external clips.

1/4 the cost.

Unless you want a full auto 30 cal (and get the expensive permits and Feds up your arse) the SKS make more sense.

For under $200 you can't beat the SKS !

I'd rather have three SKSs instead of one AK.

http://www.powercustom.com/MissPower...erSKS2_med.jpg



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no bayonet? :shocked_ma:

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BS detector, don't know if you realized it or not but.... the pic you posted.. is not just of a SKS with a fiberforce stock but one of an SKS converted to take AK "expensive box magazines".

While the SKS may be slightly more accurate than a AK, it's in NO WAY more reliable. Of my many AK's (most "cheap stamped sheet metal") I've never had failure of any kind. SKS' do jam from time to time... heck my AR's have been more reliable than most SKS' lol.

I'd rather have 2 AK's than 6 SKS'. :bear_w00t:

And cost? 1/4 the cost? 200 is the cheapest SKS'. Try 1/2 the price.

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SKS's in my opinion, are the weapon you buy a bunch of to hand out to all of the family members along with 200 rounds on stripper clips that show up at your door step come SHTF.

If you are not willing to pony up some cheap Yugos then at least have some Mosins to hand out.

If you are going to be putting up family and friends might as well make them deadly to the unwelcome.

Honestly, I have no complaints about my Yugos.

Dave

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I really like milled receivers. I know, I know, it shouldn't make any difference but I swear they have smoother actions than stamped AKs.

Dave

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I only have one SKS. Yugo. Long. Heavy. The sight plane is so low that my eye can barely pick the rear sight out from the dustcover. I don't hate it or anything but it is a fairly generic design. I would FAR rather have a MAS 49/56 than an SKS. (Same time frame/design generation.)

I do like AK's quite a bit more. My SAR-2 in 5.45x39 is a favorite. Even more so since I converted it to a Romanian side folder plus added a proper muzzle device.

None of my AK's are going to pose any threat whatsoever to
any of my AR's in the accuracy department. That's an apples and oranges comparison though. I'm ex-Army so I have a special relationship with the AR design. But I've grown to trust and appreciate the AK design for some situations.

Gregg

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I know how you feel about that, but in all honesty (having a very "personal" relationship with the AR's design) in a SHTF scenario Id much rather have the AK when gun supplies may be scarce.

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I lucked out and bought a pre-94 Polytech National Match. Now if I could only find the original Chinese scope mounts that fit the original receiver mount block, kind of a triangle/trapezoid shape and a lot smaller than the standard Saiga style mounting blocks.

Any ways, I love shooting this gun. It is extremely accurate for a 7.62x39 weapon and I would confidently take it in to a 1 to 300 yard engagement. I have heard of people getting sub 1 inch MOAs using match ammo. Since I fire mostly surplus I stay between 1 and 2 inches.

Dave

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You can have near AR accuracy if you go with a Polytech National Match AK. Now you are talking about $1700+ but at least you get the ruggedness to go with the accuracy.

Dave

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+1

I agree, this has nothing to do with AR vs AK this has everything to do with application.

An AR is built on the idea you are fighting within an organized and supplied military force whereas the typical AK doesn't count on those variables.

Naturally you suffer some of the benefits of an AR such as accuracy and of course the amount of ammo you can carry considering .223 vs 7.62x39.

Dave

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Buy a conversion kit. Get rid of the wood stock and other various heavey parts. It will be about as light as an AK.

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Nah, Its too wide to be an AK mag. Ive got a poly removable 30 rounder that looks just like that one

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I don't care what all the nay sayers say, those clunky old AK's don't hold a candle to a Yugo made SKS paratrooper with a few dozen stripper clips.

If you're an AK owner you paid waaaaaay tooooo much for a recycled coffee can stamped receiver pop gun.

Admit it, own it, you bought it.



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Oh, please. Are you serious?

You'll jam that thing every 12th shot in the hot dusty desert.

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Obviously an unsatisfied Daisy 'Red Rider' owner.

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It's like owning one backhoe vs 30 chinamen.:D

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:no_ma::smokin:

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I guess my post wasn't clear. Just because I said I had a special place in my heart for the AR, I wasn't trying to diss the AK. I own one right now, hanging ready in a special place in my bedroom closet. And I've got an AMD65 pistol and Yugo M90 underfolder in .223 being built right now. The AK design is certainly the king of the rugged and ultra reliable in field conditions design champion.

I can believe all of that and still shoot my various AR's 10x as much! When I'm going out to shoot some targets (or some coyotes) I take an AR. But I live far from any real help. The one time a truck skidded to a halt in the dead end next to my house and then a guy jumped out and started looking toward my house, I went and got the AK. I felt a lot better when that bakelite 30 round mag snapped into place! From the vermin I've killed around my property, I have a lot of faith in 5.45x39.

Gregg

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No relation to this thread of course, but elsewhere in a general sort of way, I've noticed a trend of Shill-A-Thon starting macho gun threads. They wanna be the biggest dogs on the porch, I'd guess. :dontknow:

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In a very specific sort of way, I've noticed a certain obsessed cyberspace lunatic interrupting threads with his own paranoia-related issues.

lol
 

Not. I have handled both extensively for almost 2 decades. They are different weapons.

putting a detatchable mag on an SKS is a solution without a problem. and a defective solution, since those aftermarket things are usually crap. the ak mag, though, is fantastic, works great, and the mags are cheap as hell. so aks are not a problem. neither is the stamped receiver a big deal. anyhow, I like the SKS setup fine, but turning it into an ak lookalike is another stupid macho idiot move about like polishing up an old silver coin.

I am not sure where you are getting your information but it doesnt much seem like first hand experience. It kind of sounds like what a gun dealer trying to unload a case of SKS at a gun show might say.

All that being said, the Chinee Sks are the suckiest. I like the Russkies. The Yugos are nice too.

The two nice things about the SKS-- one is the lack of an extended mag, means you can move and shoot in prone position a little easier. Not that I am much of a mudsucker but its worth noticing. Also, the lesser mag capacity is good for holding down folks who are liable to waste ammo. So yeah, like somebody else said, the SKS would be decent for handouts to your retainers when the balloon goes up. :smokin:

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Speaking of same, who's Pattern of Paranoia Guy posting as this month? His vassal last month: "Economics", lasted only 37 posts before being banned again. He's normally so easy to spot!

He should prolly take some pointers from :adore:The Notorious One, who rumor has it is still a prolific GIM propagandist to this day, sometimes starting new threads even! :coolbeer:

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Indeed! I would never suggest you retire an AR anymore than an AK. Both weapons have their application. Besides, I would be hypocritical if I didn't say I would like to eventually own an AR as well. ;)

Though, my polytech will most definitely be my weapon of choice.

Dave

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Holy Sh*t....
I'm post number 28, I'm the first the mention the girl holding the gun?
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I was trying to be all grown up n stuff...

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I know you thrive off the drama, but you really need to let it go, Pat. Find a new hobby.

Nobody wants to hear your constant whining anymore.

This thread is about the SKS vs AK and here you are bitching and moaning about your personal gripe with other members.

Really, it's childish and it's old. Let it go.

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ya but thx for the vid

I never tire of Jackie Brown

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You're prolly right, V.

This thread is not about ME.

Let's get it back on track.

What do YOU make of the recent trend of Shill-A-Thon posting macho guns-n-silver type threads?

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Put a lid on it Pat.

Go TROLL another thread.

Tard.

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....this would require you to post something related to your opinion or factual information about the SKS vs the AK.

You still haven't done that.

Nope, you're still off track. Seems to be a common trend with you.

Quit trolling.

Go away.

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I posted this educational video didn't I?

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I bet you liked Reservoir Dogs too. Here's an executive summary for those who haven't seen it (caution: some adult language),

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I have seen several people say they would prefer to have an AK over an AR in a SHTF scenario.. But I ask what is your logic in this? Are the people you would be fighting or defending yourself against going to be carrying 7.62x39 ammo for you to pick up when the fighting is over?

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No, probably not on the ammo aspect. The logic is durability in a low access time. Gun cleaning supplies, replacement parts, etc wont be as readily available and if you are looking at a gun thats going to see daily use with minimal maintenance id much rather have a more durable, efficient gun.

On the other hand though, after you first fights are over and you survive to go and collect the decesed's valuable, grab their guns and their ammo. Problem solved. Free guns and free ammo and when their ar's start breaking down for lack of repair, youll still have your AK.

Like the other gentleman said above, the design, form and function of the AR's was always based around a fluid and available chain of supply; of ammo, of replacment parts, gun oils and solvents. The Ak was meant to be in the field for indefinant periods of time with little to NO supply other than ammo.

And, what makes you so sure everyones going to be running around with that m16A1 and .223's?

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Someone should ask Songwriter what he thinks....
Maybe I'll PM him.

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NATO or UN troops will more than likely be carrying something in 5.56...at least you would have ammo for your AR, if you survive the firefight.

Russian troops...AKs in 7.62x39 or 5.45x39, maybe. Get an AK in both calibers, just in case.

Chinese...AKs in 5.8, which won't help any of us...

As far as SKS or AK, everything is about equal until you have to reload. How fast can you do that if charged by multiple combatants or starving hordes. You must take your SKS out of battery to reload, but the AK can be reloaded even as you are firing it...

Just my .02 :smokin:

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I bet I can shove a stripper clip in the prone position and continue fire faster than you think.

You got 1 (one) shot after pulling that magazine from your AK.

I'm not battling hordes of the the Zulu tribes.



The AK is and always will be an OUTSTANDING FIREARM (there, I said it ... ) but I like lots of reliable firearms with extras.

Maybe I'll load both and switch rifles while my lady reloads the other ...

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See, I knew you were a man of reason...:D

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A couple things....enjoy your sks's....they are about to jump way up in price. The yugo's have signed on with the UN to destroy weapons...no more exports to america...that means no more m48's or 24/47's also. They will slowly disappear in the next 6 months.

If you can get a nice model 59 without the gernade launcher then you can headspace the thing to become a mighty shooter. It takes about an hour for a good gunsmith to set the headspace to about 4 thousandths. (the launcher guns takes hours...not worth it) Don't go much tighter or you'll get slam fires. They made them with loose headspace to work well in combat. If you have a good barrel then you will be shocked at the accuracy of a tight headspaced sks. 1 inch or better at 100 yards. Very good for a combat rifle.

The sks has more potential then the ak because of the milled receiver. The reason an ak is a bullet pipe is because of the stamped receiver. Unless you get one with a perfectly straight receiver then there will be all types of vibrations as the bolt moves back and forth. This effects accuracy. You can make an AK better with a blackjack buffer. I have an ak that shot 5 inch groups at 50 yards. The blackjack buffer shrunk the group to 3 inches at 100. It reduces shock waves in the receiver. I never would have believed it but I've seen it and heard it from numerous people.

The AK is a genius piece of work. Simplicity at it's finest. There's a reason when you turn on the TV, you see some little kid in the mideast carrying an ak...you can make them and fix them with a screw driver, a heavy rock, and a file. they never stop shooting....pull and pray you hit...which isn't as big of a problem when you're shooting auto.

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Few realize the SKS was the predescessor to the AK but the cost of a milled receiver was the prime reason to abandon it for the quick stamped AK ... mass production requirements of the cold war.

The SKS shoots rings out of the AKs accuracy.

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IMO an SKS will never ever ever be the battle weapon a milled reciever AK is... unless you are out of ammo in which case the SKS would kick arse, or stab arse.

There are a lot of junk AKs out there that don't shoot well at all, same with the SKS (to a lesser extent), but give me a choice between a good AK and a good SKS and it's a no brainer, I'll take the AK for sure, in a .223 underfolder if you got it.

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Is this on semi -auto, or full auto?

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By a single year ;) The sks' was obsolete within a year of production, thats why it was discontinued. FWIW Early AK's were also milled.

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Daily use for potentially long periods of time where you will not be able to clean your weapons for fear you could be attacked any time.

In other words pry their weapons from their cold dead hands and use them in addition to the ammo. Good observation; nothing to stop you from taking both and using both.

This is the cornerstone in my logic for weapons selection. There is no going to the store during an economic collapse so you should feel confident with your weapons ability to function without regular maintenance and/or service.

Based on just the strong opinions on the topic of AK vs. AR my guess is there will be ample use of both weapons systems.

Dave

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For a few extra bux why stop at the AK when you can have a Mini 30 ?

And a Mini 14 if you want the 223 version.

I don't own a Mini 30 but I do shoot my brother/s Ranch Rifle (Mini 14) ... it's a bad ass little carbine.

And that shoot out in Florida about a decade ago ?

A Mini 30 chewed up the Fed boyz and made them rethink the 9 mil's usefulness, enough to make them drop the wonder 9's from inventory ..


http://www.theothersideofkim.com/ima...i-30_thumb.jpg

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I have both, and I must say that I prefer AK. SKS isn't too shabby, but hey, it was used and the AK was new. Also I like the detachable mags better, as well as the lighter weight and shorter length of the AK.

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now THAT is funny!! :laugh:

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I've got both of them, a russian siminov and a hungarian sa85m both from the mid 80's and I like them but I never compared them.
The firepower of that stubby AK is awesome, and folded up its a small package.The siminov is a nice shooter but harder to lug around and get in and out of trucks with.
They both have thier purpose I guess.:D

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Sure a galil is a better gun (not necessarily more accurate and not always a better round...depends on where you're hunting people. .223 is great but there's a reason the military is considering other calibers)....90% of the AK's in this world are not milled. The glory of the AK is cheap to make and maintain.

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Just to clarify, the Galil is not a milled AK. An AK is an AK and a Galil is a Galil. All Galils are milled, most Aks are stamped. The Galil is an Isreali weapon system designed and built by IMI for the IDF in the 60s.

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The real joy of both of these weapons is the ammo; more specificly the great case taper of the round. A round that was created to perform flawlessly in a auto or semi-auto action; not a bolt-gun groundhog round like the 222 magnum[re-named the military 223]drafted into service with no real design thought to correct it's severe lack of case taper.